Doug Frazier- Marshfield Missouri
I love the suggestions you've written, and your "Hillbilly Huntin" logo is a hoot! You should make t-shirts with that emblem...<><
It's about time someone took the initiative to make up a site catering to us hillbillies. I am so blessed with the wife God chose for me. Last year she decided to get into hunting. I had a blast outfitting her with a new rifle, camo, hunting pack,ect...She wants to go hog hunting Monday. "Twist my arm!" I was planning on another evening of bow hunting but that can wait until another weekend when we will be closer to my "back home" hunting grounds. I need to get the wife a rifle scabbard for her four wheeler like I've got on mine. They're the only way to transport a rifle while riding. Happy hunting......Tom
Neat site for sure. I grew up on a farm just S. of Ava, Missouri and while growing up in the 50's, we seldom got to see a deer near home so most hunted the public land (Forest Service or State land). Now, plenty of deer are located on the family farm, but I still normally camp and hunt the public land. I camped with a buddy and a few others for over 30 years until they about all died off on me. At one time there were as many as 10-12 at the camp during the early part of gun season. Of course not as many the weeks before while my buddy and I were bow hunting, but we had a few friends in and out of camp for several weeks each year. Lots of fun.
Now I still camp and my Son still camps with me as much as he can and a few friends are nearby on down the trail a ways, but the deer camp is not as large as it used to be and I now camp in a small 5th wheel, so I don't have to cut wood or get up a couple of times each night to stoke up the 55 gal. barrel stove that we used to heat the 20x24 tent all those years. Don't have to listen to all the snoring either, but I do miss the card games and all of the yearly camp tales with friends. Unless one has experienced it, they do not know what they are missing. Nothing like having the coyotes yodeling just a few yards away from the camp.
I am already starting to get things rounded up for this year. At age 60 and retired, I have a bit more time to get things organized. It's a good thing too, because I don't move as fast as I used to.
That’s really cool where do you all camp these days? I’m glad you have enjoyed the site make sure to check back often I add to it all the time. The camping has to be where most of my memories come from and what I enjoy most. I have no family land to hunt so I have grown up hunting public land and camping we never had the big tent like you talk about but we hang a tarp high in the trees and now we have a camper but it’s something hard to describe to someone who has never experienced it. Thank you for visiting the sight. I will see you around best of luck this year!
We used to hunt on the E. side of Swan Creek near Garrison, Mo. on what is now the Forest Service Bar K Wrangler Ranch and vehicles are no longer allowed, so we moved down near Bradleyville, and now down just E. of Rueter, Mo. S. of the Glade Top Trail in the Big Creek water shead area. That is just N. of Protem.
Have you ever camped on glade top in your big tent? I have seen some up there before. My grandfather passed away camping up on glade top years ago.
I remember hearing about your Grandfather. Sad for sure.
We had it set up down on Tennison Ridge the last two years that we used it. It was a heavy big blue monster cabin type tent and hard to put up. It lasted for nearly 40 years of camping to include a few years out in Colorado, but we had to drape a few tarps over it there at the last as it was starting to develop a few leaks. Years past, we had a lot of guys camp with us that worked with me and my buddy out at the Fed Med. He retired around 2000 and me 2009.
The crazy part about that whole thing was all the grandkids including me had played and spent the night in it the night before. I work at the fed med now been out here about a year and a half now. My dad and I have always talked about getting a tent like that but opted for a camper instead. Maybe I will see you around this year. Did the fires affect your hunting area this year? I had heard there were a few down there this summer. Do you remember two years ago when glade top had fires the week before rifle season? I was in the camper without a truck when they kicked off. And a few years before that we were in a tent when the tornado came through fun times.
Oh yes...I remember the camps we use to have on the Current river and up on Rocky creek. We actually quit camping at the Current river sites during the rifle season because of the ya hoos blasting their AK's into the river all night long next door to us. "I have found that common sense is not so common with some folks." It's hard to sleep knowing how much a tent wall will slow down an AK round!
We started camping up on Rocky creek at the Cedar bluff site for a while and then at a no name site on up the creek a ways amoungst the Weaver fields. It was nice not having other campers around us.
My most memorable hunt was one year that I had my 24 ft. camper at the Cedar bluff site. My youngest son and I scored on opening morning. He took his first buck with my '06 shooting 165 grain Hornady BTSP's. He got a little over excited when he walked up on the deer and seen that it had a set of forked horns. He scratched up the finish on my scope and lost my scope covers. It was funny watching him drag that little buck up that steep long hillside to my truck. Covered with sweat and blood and still having a ton of adrenaline going thru his veins as he told me the story....over and over. LOL!
I dropped a little basket racked eight with my 444 Marlin the next ridge over just minutes after I heard my old '06 bark for my son. I was curious about how my new 270 grain Speer gold dots would work. It performed very well.
We ate the inner loins from those two bucks for supper that evening. Next morning my brother scored on a forked horn. He actually missed his first opportunity on the opening morning.
Late in the morning of day two I did a one man drive to my oldest son's stand. I smoked three bowls of prince albert in my pipe as I zigged and zagged up the side of that ridge. When I got about 200 yards from him I heard his 308 Model 7600 bark. The 150 grain Nosler Ballistic tip took the top of the heart off a fine eight point. All four of these deer and many more critters have been taken with my hand loads. I haven't bought a centerfire cartridge in about 20 years now. I love taloring handloads to my guns.
My wife about had a cow when she got home that Sunday evening and seen four deer hanging off the trees in the yard. It was a good year and we had plenty to eat......My wife became famous for her deer steak sandwiches.........Tom
I remember the fires that year, but we were on the S. side of the Glade Top Trail road. The N. side of Forest Road 147 burned really hot in a few places this summer, but again, wrong side of the road to bother us. I have seen a lot more hog sign so far this fall than I have seen in a while. Might get a chance for a bit of pork to grind up with my deer burger to make some breakfast sausage.
One year back in the mid 80's, we were camped the week before gun season up off of Swan Creek and a storm came in just after daylight. Blew trees down all around the tent and almost took the tent. Not sure if the thing touched down or not, but we sure had some violent winds for about 10 minutes. The trees looked like straight line wind blew them down. It had rained hard all night and had just stopped raining when it sounded like a half dozen B-52's were coming up the hollow towards us. We held onto the ridge poles and managed to keep the tent up though. Had a few trees blocking the trail and I got a chance to use up about all my extra chainsaw gas. But we already had our wood supply cut for the tent stove anyway. Fond memories. And some, not quite so fond. :)
Where are you seeing the hog sign this year? For as much time as I have spent in the woods I haven’t seen any. I guess I need to start looking somewhere else. I would save up all my leave when I was in the air force and come home for 2 or 3 weeks normally the week before rifle season. Maybe if I make a trip down there to scout we can meet up in the morning for coffee. The year we had tornados it was like a whole new world walking into the woods the next morning nothing looked the same. The memories I have from deer season over the years are what it’s all about. I love hunting public land because you meet new people every year and hear new stories along with making your own every year is different and it’s great to just spend time with good people.
I camp about 2 1/2 miles S. down Tennison Ridge road off of 147 and that is the area that I have been scouting. From there on down into Big Creek bottom I have seen a lot more hog sign than I normally had been seeing in years past. Maybe the dry summer drove them closer to Big Creek where they could find more water, but they are using the ponds too. They now have water in them and show plenty of hog wallows. Lots of the forest floor has been recently disturbed by the hogs also, so they are still around.
Would love to meet up and compare notes, etc. I am free much of the time being semi-retired, so give me a shout and we can go do some scouting. You can get my phone # from Tom at work and e-mail address if you need it.
Off to bed.
Good job on your blog Doug!
Thank you! You should pass it on and give out the link to others that would enjoy it.
Thanks! Help pass it on let other people know about it. Thanks again!
Just wanted to let you all know that my oldest son has been working over in west Ill. and while driving back to s.e. Mo. Oct, 1st. he and his buddy witnessed a doe being breed by a buck right beside the highway. If my memory serves me correctly, does come into heat every 28 days. That would make Oct. 29th the next heat day for that particular doe. I am betting the chase phase of the rut will be about a week earlier than usual this year making the last week of October the best week "in my opinion" to be in the woods. I have always found the first week of November to be the best week in past years. Bucks getting plum silly and not being cautious at all. But usually the first does witnessed being bred was around the 5th-7th of October in my hunting areas. If this holds true then the rifle season ought to be good since that would put the peak breeding period prior to the rifle opener. The bucks ought to be on their feet looking for receptive does come opening day.
Has anyone checked out the moon phase to see what the breeding period will be?
My son bought a new PSE recurve about a month ago and I knew the critters was gonna be in trouble this year when I seen him shoot it. He killed a gobbler yesterday and a spike this morning.
I seen pics of a wild boar that pushed the 500 lb. mark a buddy of mine caught in a trap a couple weeks ago. Wow! that's a big pig. He broke his 500 pound scales trying to weight it!
I got a cortizone shot in my left shoulder today so I hope that I will be able to shoot my bow pain free here in a couple days. I really don't want to have to go to a crossbow. I love my Martin compound.
Well that is good news thanks for letting us know. I have a moon phase calendar on this website so you can check out any day you need. But opening day there won’t be much of a moon. That’s a big pig wow!! Tell your son congrats and you need to get him on here! Did you get any pictures with his spike and gobbler? I would like to get pictures from anyone who visits the site of what they get this year and even camp pictures. I will start a new tab for 2012 kills. I have a crossbow get a permit and go for it the only thing that sucks about them is the weight makes long hikes a pain. Good luck this year
Thanks! Now, not to start any kind of big debate or anything like that but, I'd like to hear the opinion of some of the more experienced and wiser hunters out there on the topics of "The perfect whitetail rifle cartiridge, pistol cartridge, action type, etc."
I'll throw in my opinions: Rifle cartridge- Anything between the .243 Winchester and the 30-06 that the shooter can shoot comfortably and accurately. The only exception to this is if you have a young child, a lady or a girly boy wanting to hunt deer. A .223 Remington with a good bullet and PLENTY of practice is acceptable for the average size adult, Missouri whitetail.
My vote for the overall best rifle cartridge...7mm-08 with a 139-140 grain bullet. It's perfect. I personally use a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 using either 150 or 165 grain bullets. Not because it takes that much power but, because it shoots these rounds very well and accuracy is just as important, if not more so than power level. It also works very well on wild boar and has accompanied me on an elk hunt.
Best Hangun cartridge: .357 magnum, with maximum loaded 158 grain bullets, to whatever the shooter can handle comfortably. I prefer my Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 mag shooting Hornady 240 grain XTP's over my 586 S&W. It's perfect whitetail medicine and about the max for my recoil tolerance level. It is a better choice for wild boar than the .357 so I am usually carrying my .44 mag. Both are extremely accurate handguns. I have killed a sow that weighed about 150 pounds with my .357 but I was a wish'n that I had my .44. She had ten piglets following her and I took her at about 20 feet, facing me. She ran away from me for about 40 yards before collapsing. She could have inflicted a lot of damage to me if she had decided to keep coming at me after the shot.
Some might not agree with the .357 being in the mix. A lot of folks will be get bent out of shape claiming the .357 ain't enough gun for whitetails and turn right around and claim it to be one of the finest personal defense rounds...Really!!!!??? Think about it....There ain't much difference between the size and construction between a man and a whitetail.
Take notice that the new reloading manuals show maximum loads to be reduced quite a bit from yesteryears manuals. I use the data for loading my .357, and many other rounds, from a 1970's Speer manual. I would definately keep the range under fifty yards from a handgun in .357 and I definitely use enough bullet. My choice is the 158 grain Hornady XTP's.
The perfect action type: This one gets tricky because of the variety of different ways to pursue our quarry. In a treestand I prefer my old bolt action 30-06 with a VX-1 2x7x33 because of it's accuracy and the chance of getting a longer shot than I would while being on the ground. I could easily shoot past 100 yards from my favorite treestand site although my longest shot from there has been about 80 yards on a big boar.
That rifle has dropped a buck in Shannon county at well over 300 and closer to 400 when I shot from one ridge to another.
For stomping the brush or slipping down a ridge quietly I think it's a draw between the lever action, semi-auto and the pump. I actually give the pump a slight advantage. I love the lever action rifles though. I believe the natural response of the body to recoil combined with the working of the pump action makes you get the rifle back on target quicker. One rifle type that deserves special mention is the BLR. I have witnessed, from more than one of these fine works of art, accuracy that would be extrodinary from a bolt gun. It's like having the best of both worlds. A fast working action and extreme accuracy.
When I'm still hunting I prefer the old reliable Winchester model 94 or Marlin 336 in 30-30. My first nice buck, a fine nine point, fell to my Marlin 336 many years ago. He jumped up out of his bed and looked at me and I had already shouldered and fired before either of us knew what had just happened. It was the ultimate adrenaline rush!
That's my choices. What's your's and why????
I really can not see all that much of Tom's thoughts that I could disagree with. Certainly one of the most important things that I can suggest rather than just state what I think would be the best caliber, is that one should be able to use or shoot well, whatever gun or weapon that they use for hunting. Being consistently accurate with the weapon and one's confidence in the weapon's accuracy helps a whole lot. Just a slight bit of doubt that the weapon might not be up to the task should be enough to cause one to choose a different weapon. Mental confidence can help one accomplish a task, but it can also help cause one to screw up royally if in the back of your mind, you are uncertain.
I have killed deer and various other critters with all sorts of calibers and with all sorts of velocities and types of bullet construction in those calibers and deer are not magic, they will certainly die, and quickly if shot properly. Speed helps in many ways, but I certainly do not count on a particular bullet's velocity to make it a better killer than some other bullet that had the proper construction for the conditions. The bullet construction is very important for efficient and humane killing of any game animal and all the animals that we hunt deserve to be killed as humanely as possible.
Certainly, the smaller calibers can sometimes be a stretch for some of the larger game animals, especially if bullet construction is not seriously contemplated. Also, even the larger calibers can be less than adequate humane killers if the wrong bullet is chosen for the job and conditions. Velocity and range should be calculated into the equation when one is choosing any bullet for hunting. Too hard a bullet might not perform as well as a softer bullet if the velocity is too low. Of course the larger the caliber, the larger the hole, but even then a bullet designed for heavy game that is used on a small game animal will not likely perform as well and may very well result in a pass through with minimal damage. I would rather see two holes than just one, but I also would hope for a bit of bullet expansion as it passed through. Even my harder cast bullets that I use for hunting in both handguns and rifles are soft enough to deform a bit with the velocity under which I shoot them. More velocity might mean that I could use a bit harder alloy and still get the performance that I am looking for, so I can use a harder alloy in say, my .44 rifle than I can in my .44 revolver. And most likely, I should for proper result. Slower velocity would most likely need a softer alloy or faster expanding bullet construction, to perform correctly.
And do not forget that excess velocity and too light a bullet can easily lead to a much more shallow wound with too little of a blood trail and a mortally wounded animal having enough juice to still run a long, long distance to possibly never be recovered. I know that well from experience. Losing an animal is very upsetting, especially when one realizes that it was because of an incorrect choice of bullet, caliber of weapon, or incorrect velocity used with what would have otherwise been a perfectly capable bullet. We must know bullet construction before choosing our bullet or use the bullet that manufacturers suggest we use if we have not developed that knowledge or experience.
I like Tom's thoughts on the 7mm-08 sized round for most deer hunting chores. Not a heavy recoiling round, but a very stable and long ranging caliber. The 7mm Mauser was one fine round, in my opinion, and plenty of others have been developed over the years to perform with similar ballistics. The 6.5 x 55mm is another fine example of a very efficient cartridge that has a very stable and long range capability as is most of the other cartridges that have been developed that are similar to it's ballistics. The ole .30-06 and all the necked up and necked down cartridges developed from the .30-06 casing have proven for years to be excellent choices for many hunting situations. I prefer a smaller cartridge for my close in still hunting style here in the Missouri heavy timber, but most anything with the proper bullet construction for it's velocity will work if we do our part and that is to put the bullet where it needs to be. The first shot.
Finally, I would hope that every single hunter would make as great an effort to find any deer that they shoot as they possibly can. I know that many have lesser experience in tracking, but the animals deserve to be used and not wasted. Let's shot them, and then track them down and eat them. Let's not feed the coyotes. :)
Hey! I just wanted to tell you that, although I haven't submitted much in the way of feedback, intel, etc., I have enjoyed the site and hope you keep working hard on it...I love to see so many with so much enthusiasm for our beloved sport. We have to ensure that our children grow up with the knowledge we pass on to them in the areas of hunting, reloading, shooting, fishing, survival, etc. God bless all and best of luck in the woods come November...and October if you're a bowhunter! <><
Great site friend. Very informative for city slickers like me:-)
God give us stength, Pray and vote. Make sure to hook me up with some deer since I cannot shoot well and I get hungry. I have no doubt that you are a SME :-)
Great website. Sending you those deer pictures.
Finally saw your deer Hillbilly! Congrats on your accomplishment.
Sorry it took me so long...
I am out in Kansas near Lake Wilson we have some nice deer out her too Whitetail and Mule Deer But I was born and raised in Missouri and I miss the woods ! Spent 2 mos. camping by myself in Mark Twain Nat. Forest near Ava Mo.
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to the websight but I really like all the good info and pictures everyone has posted.
Hey your website is looking great! its awesome to see the great responses you have been getting.
Thanks for telling me about your website, very informative and interesting.And Love the pics
Hey there, HillBilly, I saw you posted how our 2013 deer season went, I just wanted to let everyone know just how successful it really was.
2013 Frazier deer camp was set up and running for 2 weeks, we did not get burned out, blown up, or had any trips to the ER. The only fatality was our canopy, (it did not survive the rain). We did get a visit by the youngest Frazier Hillbilly, and he did exactly what he wanted, he shot the first deer that presented a shot to him. There was a nice buck shot on Sunday, by mister Cheston.
During the 2 weeks, Hillbilly's wife and daughter were introduced to deer camp for a overnight, and Papa's wife also was able to come down and enjoy the camp fire.
Our Lord continues to bless our family, and we will continue to give him all the credit, for our many successes.
Keep up the great work Hillbilly.
Hey Doug and Cheston, good job on the new web site. Enjoying the pics and stories. BTW, would be good to have a "store" link where folks could order Hillbilly Huntin stickers and t-shirts, etc. Take care -